Free Meetup… subject Initiation

We are getting together on Thursday 17/05/12 8pm at Well Connected Cafe in Glebe, Sydney, Australia. The subject will be initiation. ALso CHeck out and join our group on facebook “Esoteric Tantra

“Hi folks, I’ve just changed the time for the get together on Thursday. We will be exploring the nature of initiation this week. Initiation means beginning but by implication also endings. Most people I guess focus on the achievements involved in being initiatied into a Magic(k) group, for example. Being a mirror of tribal initiations that take you into adulthood from childhood. This is a layered experience because you enter formally into training in order to gain the skills and experiences needed to participate in power, transformation, trust and intimacy. An example is marriage. It is a type of Tantric initiation, there are a few others but this one is the most common experience many will share. It transforms the personal experience of love, intimacy and lust into a public declaration of commitment to those feelings calling on the rituals of the culture to acknowledge the love shared and the power it can offer the participants…. it continues here…

my Myers Briggs Type

Over the years I have played with different systems for categorising people. I’ve always found them unsatisfying. Not because they are inaccurate but because of what they do in my mind to the people who I meet. I’ve even played at creating my own, based on the Chakras. Seven types based on seven dimensions of being with a seven leveled measurement scales. By temperament and interest the categorising systems I went for were Astrology with 12 types, Numerology with 9 or 10 types (depending on how you count) and Tarot – Major Arcana with 21 types, even the Kabala with 10 types. Each of these have the possibilities for great complexity to try and cope with human realities.

  • Astrology has 12 signs, 12 houses, 12 moving celestrial bodies all interracting and professing the absolute objectiveness of the heavens.
  • Numerology has 9 numbers and one place marker, the zero. You can add up the numbers from you birthday and name to break them down to one of the nine resulting types and a destiny. Or you can map subtleties by applying the typing system to different dimensions of the person by not breaking down the numbers into the types mentioned by adding them together.
  • Each tarot card represents a person type allow you 21 types or 78 types if you want/need something more complex and enigmatic. Each of the 21 are also a role in society, a stage or moment of life.
  • The Kabala has 10 centres of light and 21 connecting paths. Each centre of light, like the Chakras, represents states of mind and being, and can therefore represent types of people who experience the world predominantly through that state. The connecting paths and the centres themselves let you measure the way these states interact to make the person. The cool thing about this system is that you can bring in numerology and the tarot deck./li>

These all work to help give a feeling of insight and security when faced by the complexity humans and their relationships. The system I spent most time with was Astrology in my teens and early twenties and through my marriage with a professional Astrologer who gave it great store (obviously). In these times and as I watched my ex-wife and others interact with Astrology and the other systems I noticed the system and its legitimacy seemed more important than the people I/they were meeting. That cliche was true about the first or second question asked when meeting someone was what was their sign. I used to be pretty good at guessing peoples signs before I started to get in depth with the system. When I started doing charts and studying the great complexity of the system allowes people.

In case you want to draw that box around me I was born 0235am 08/06/1958 in Sydney Australia. Most people will think my moon is in Pisces (as I did for while) but it actually in Aquarius. feel free to figure me out. Contact me if you think I’m your soulmate, I might just be who knows.

I have been tested for jobs using some of the modern categorising systems but rarely remembered much about them. They seemed superficial in comparison to the depths of history and human imagination and society that the systems have I mentioned above. Recently someone asked me what my Mires Briggs type was. I’d forgotten what they were at first, then remembered. I didn’t know until did some research that it was based on Jung’s work so I thought it might have some interest. I liked that it was based on questions about your experience of everyday life and your relationships with it.

But I still have the same worries about the validity and the limitations it places on how I might be percieved. I don’t remember what my IQ is for instance, though I have done some abilities testing at different times. The problems with its cultural relativity make it invalid to my desire for some kind of deeper understanding human nature. At least that’s my emotional response but I do realise that the test could help when you are wanting to get people who are successful within a cultural context.

Anyway here’s a box you can put me in. Just remember that it is a moveable feast because I think these modern systems a more effected by the moods of the tested person. Though hopefully someone, a true believer, will argue with me on this point.

I like that if I’m going to be unbalanced then it is towards the intuitive, so maybe that’s why my result is what it is. It does seem very unbalanced though, to me, and I do like balance.

According to this site –

This is My Myers-Briggs TYPE:
Extraverted Intuitive Feeling Perceiving
Strength of the preferences %
11 75 12 11

ENFP type description by J. Butt and M.M. Heiss
ENFP Identify Your Career with Jung Career Indicator™ ENFP Famous Personalities

ENFP type description by D.Keirsey

Qualitative analysis of your type formula

You are:
• slightly expressed extravert
• distinctively expressed intuitive personality
• slightly expressed feeling personality
• slightly expressed perceiving personality

Extraverted iNtuitive Feeling Perceiving
by Marina Margaret Heiss
Profile: ENFP
Revision: 4.0
Date of Revision: 28 Feb 2011
[The following comes partially from the archetype, but mostly from my own dealings with ENFPs.]
ENFPs are both “idea”-people and “people”-people, who see everyone and everything as part of a cosmic whole. They want to both help and to be liked and admired by other people, on both an individual and a humanitarian level. This is rarely a problem for the ENFP, as they are outgoing and warm, and genuinely like people. Some ENFPs have a great deal of zany charm, which can ingratiate them to more stodgy types in spite of their unconventionality.
ENFPs often have strong, if sometimes surprising, values and viewpoints. They tend to try to use their social skills and contacts to persuade others gently (though enthusiastically) of the rightness of these views; this sometimes results in the ENFP neglecting their nearest and dearest while caught up their efforts to change the world.
ENFPs can be the warmest, kindest, and most sympathetic of mates; affectionate, demonstrative, and spontaneous. Many in relationships with an ENFP literally say, “They light up my life.” But there is usually a trade-off: the partner must be willing to deal with the practical and financial aspects of the relationship, and the ENFP must be allowed the freedom to follow their latest path, whatever that entails.
For some ENFPs, relationships can be seriously tested by their short attention spans and emotional needs. They are easily intrigued and distracted by new friends and acquaintances, forgetting their older and more familiar emotional ties for long stretches at a time. And the less mature ENFP may need to feel they’re the constant center of attention, to confirm their image of themselves as a wonderful and fascinating person.
In the workplace, ENFPs are pleasant and friendly, and interact in a positive and creative manner with both their co-workers and the public. ENFPs are also a major asset in brainstorming sessions; follow-through on projects can be a problem, however. ENFPs do get distracted, especially if another interesting issue comes along. They also tend towards procrastination, and dislike performing small, uninteresting tasks. ENFPs are most productive when working in a group with a few Js to handle the details and the deadlines.